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Post by punisher on Jul 22, 2010 11:50:38 GMT -5
I went to 3 games this year...Do you think Iowa would be able to move to the IFL and compete? They draw 500 fans a game and the majority of those are probably family members. How are you going to have a player sign a contract and tell them they will make $200 a game, but then you only average 500 fans a game and you are losing money and now you can't pay them, as was the case with West Michigan and probably alot of the indoor teams that lose that kind of money. If you went to the same games I did you know they don't draw well, or as well as they should if they are as good as you say they are, they are the best team in their league and draw like the worst teams in the IFL. Don't get me wrong, I think it is great what they have done, but lets keep it in perspective, they are doing good in the APFL, probably wouldn't be competitive in the IFL.
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Post by CF4L on Jul 22, 2010 12:03:30 GMT -5
I certainly don't want Iowa to go to the IFL without more financial backing.
It makes no sense, the IFL adds no value and only adds costs.
As far as competition, it took Wichita a few seasons, but they're pretty competitive now aren't they?
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Post by BNDC on Jul 22, 2010 12:03:57 GMT -5
The origional IFL, the NIFL, the UIF, and the new IFL have all been criticized the same way. It is minor league sports. It will only be able to be so good. Bad things will happen and life will go on.
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Post by CF4L on Jul 22, 2010 12:08:28 GMT -5
The origional IFL, the NIFL, the UIF, and the new IFL have all been criticized the same way. It is minor league sports. It will only be able to be so good. Bad things will happen and life will go on. it is sad that the standards have been driven down so low
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Post by BNDC on Jul 22, 2010 12:53:05 GMT -5
Expectations are just to high. You act like this is the NFL, it isnt. There isnt alot of money to be made, it is for enjoyment.
I am sure the American Association isnt extreamly better than the IFL.
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Post by CF4L on Jul 22, 2010 13:28:55 GMT -5
if you're trying to argue that all minor league sports/independent leagues are all the same, then we'll just have to agree to disagree.
AA and USHL are both clearly ran better than the IFL. Only 4 AA teams draw less than 2K in attendance (Lincoln draws over 3K fwiw...for comparison, Sioux City draws marginally more than 1K). 6 USHL teams draw over 3K in attendance (Lincoln leads the league with over 4K average, again, fwiw).
This is a football country. You're telling me that I shouldn't expect better out of indoor football across the board? Especially the supposed "premier" indoor football league?
Just because you're so jaded against your own favorite team doesn't mean the rest of us are or should be.
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Post by BNDC on Jul 22, 2010 13:52:35 GMT -5
I am not jaded against other teams, I just get of people acting like indoor football is more important than it is. I don't even know who won the past USHL championship, it isnt because it is important. I don't ever hear about the AA playoff's when they happen, because noone cares unless you team is in it.
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Post by CF4L on Jul 22, 2010 14:06:12 GMT -5
so what you're saying is because the sport/league isn't national the fans at a local level shouldn't care whether or not it is being half-assed?
Indoor football is very important to me personally, and I'd suggest it is important to the vast majority of the people who post on this site. The better part of my life so far has been spent involved in some aspect of indoor football.
Don't tell me I shouldn't care because the sport isn't as big as the NFL (or even the AFL!).
Again-you're so jaded it isn't funny.
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Post by BNDC on Jul 22, 2010 14:49:47 GMT -5
I am telling you that you care to much. I bet a majority of fans at most minor league events cannot name half the other teams in the league. I bet most fans in attendance do not know the names of the players on the team they are chearing for.
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Post by BNDC on Jul 22, 2010 14:50:40 GMT -5
I also betthat if you took an IFL championship ring to a pawn shop they wouldnt even buy it.
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Post by Bouncer_Texxx on Jul 22, 2010 16:05:53 GMT -5
Case in point... I had a Storm season ticket holder as me TODAY if we won last weekend.. really? where you been under a rock.
I think we'd all be better off if the league would quit trying to pretend to be top notch, and begin trying to actually get there. Back to basics, focus on doing the smaller things well. There's no reason I can see that the championship game needed to be national, but it certainly could/should have been shown in Billings and Sioux Falls.
The USHL is a small, focused, organization as is the AA and both leagues don't pretend to be anything more. Both are regional.. the IFL *could* find some things that these leagues do well as the cover quite a few of the same markets.
Green bay, Sioux city, Omaha, Wichita, etc.
I think lyrics to an old country song is appropriate with regards to the IFL..
A little less talk and a lot more action
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Post by Banana Cat on Jul 22, 2010 16:51:07 GMT -5
I like the way the IFL is going with emphasis on regional (i.e. divisions play amongst themselves) in the regular season, then in the playoffs regional winners face off against each other.
Sioux City is still a great fit for the IFL and I hope they stay put. The SC/SF/Oma three headed monster is a great thing and one that is needed in other regions of this sport.
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Post by BNDC on Jul 22, 2010 17:17:14 GMT -5
The AA has teams in Texas, Florida, Lousiana, with the division regional.
The Exploreers do have to take the long road trips for the South teams.(I had to look at the AA website to name all those teams)
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Post by punisher on Jul 22, 2010 18:19:46 GMT -5
I think Sioux City has taken a back seat to Sioux Falls and Omaha, and now Wichita, and unlike those 3 teams, Sioux City has honestly gotten worse the last couple of years, we'd all like to see the rivalry continue but can we call it a rivalry anymore? I mean Sioux City would have to start winning some of those games. Sioux City was very close to a championship awhile back and have been nowhere close since, with the way things are with the ownership, players, etc maybe it is in their best interest to join the APFL, it might make the APFL more competitive as well, having a strong franchise (as far as longevity, fan base, and history) join the league. Just look back a few years ago for any of you that have followed local college football, Morningside College (Sioux City, IA) played in Div. II in the North Central Conference, not a quality team in that league, well they drop down to NAIA and now are a top 10 team every year. I would assume that the Bandits are leaning toward the APFL and at this time I think it would be a pretty smart move. Actually saw a few Sioux City coaches at Iowa Blackhawks-Mid Missouri games prior to playoffs.
On another note, why not care alot about the team you are cheering for? The only thing that makes it hard is that this is a minor league sport and we see how fast teams come and go and we see how fast coaches and players come and go, and how often leagues change, which makes it hard because the one thing it lacks is consistency. But if you are going to care about something and invest time and money into it, might as well go all out because especially when you deal with minor league sports, you never know if it is going to be around tomorrow.
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Post by Micah008 on Jul 22, 2010 20:44:38 GMT -5
... On another note, why not care alot about the team you are cheering for? The only thing that makes it hard is that this is a minor league sport and we see how fast teams come and go and we see how fast coaches and players come and go, and how often leagues change, which makes it hard because the one thing it lacks is consistency. But if you are going to care about something and invest time and money into it, might as well go all out because especially when you deal with minor league sports, you never know if it is going to be around tomorrow. Well said.
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