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Post by wichitawild on May 27, 2012 10:51:54 GMT -5
So with the fall of Allen, I got to thinking about the biggest failures in indoor football history. If Allen loses to Nebby this week there is a strong possibility that Allen will not make the playoffs at all. I think Nebby will win as it seems the wheels have come off in Allen.
So what is the greatest failure in indoor football history? Allen in 2012 Sioux Falls in 2009 The ownership rein of Jeff Sprowls Chris Kikalis/Gilbert Brown combo Wichita Wild in 2008 The fall of the NIFL Wyoming never winning a title in the AIFA The fall of Ohio Valley Andrew Haines The fall of the SIFL
I know there are many, many more examples. So what do you think? What is the greatest failure in the history of indoor football?
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Post by Banana Cat on May 27, 2012 14:31:30 GMT -5
Nothing can ever top the last year of the NIFL.
It's possible Nebraska can catch Allen in the standings this year, but not probable, so until Allen's eliminated from playoff contention they don't really belong on the list.
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Post by wichitawild on May 27, 2012 15:11:29 GMT -5
I agree that Allen can't be on the list yet, but even if they get in the playoffs they will certainly be bounced in the first round. The Allen season definitely qualifies as a failure. There is no doubt about that.
So BC and others that have been around a long time, what is on your list of biggest failures in indoor football history? There has to be some good stories out there and some funny blunders. Or moments/seasons that are memorable for their dissappointment or failure.
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Post by CF4L on May 27, 2012 16:34:11 GMT -5
first year of the UIF cancelling Dayton a week before the season started
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Post by exit322 on May 27, 2012 21:05:11 GMT -5
Nothing can ever top the last year of the NIFL. I think the AIF this year, though, should be given an "A" for their effort in trying to unseat the NIFL circa 2007.
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Post by Banana Cat on May 28, 2012 0:56:32 GMT -5
Any year of the APFL could also qualify.
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Post by Bouncer_Texxx on May 28, 2012 11:11:58 GMT -5
APFL in Wichita's last season.. what was that 2006... was particularly hilarious..
I do had raised eyebrows about the 2009 Storm... only because they went 11-3 on the field...* But I agree with regards to the failure of the front office and ownership in place at the time.
I'd say you forgot the Alaska Wild in 2010 and Arizona and Bricktown in 2011
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Post by rockybighorn on May 29, 2012 16:21:17 GMT -5
I would say the APFL as a whole from what little I know of it. Sounds like the same merry-go-round every year. I woukld say the 2009 Storm season has an asterisk by it. The team was good, not our best by far but truly a year to forget. Like Bouncer said in a different post, SF fans are still biter @ the league about that. Allen shouldn't be on that list. There are a lot of teams that come out hot & fizzle. Colrado seems to do it every year as does Bloomington. Maybe this year is different for those 2 but we have seen many times Colordao be strong through most of the season and make a hasty exit in the playoffs. Bloomington likes to boast that they've made the playoffs for something like 12 years straight, without looking it up I would imagine they have made close to 12 straight 1st round exits too. Omaha is in that similar realm as Bloomington (sorry BC, i'm going there) they have been around for a long time and have not faired well in the playoffs either. I would also say that teams folding mid-season is all too common in indoor football to consider any one of them "biggest failure" I would say last year of NIFL, APFL every year and this years CIFL. And Tommy Benizio is a failure too.
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Post by rockybighorn on May 29, 2012 16:22:17 GMT -5
Also, Allen signed Knighton previously of Colorado so still a good chance they right that ship, at least enough to make the playoffs.
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Post by Bouncer_Texxx on May 29, 2012 17:49:58 GMT -5
I can't believe I'm about to say this, but the APFL had gone two years before this one without canceling a game or having a team fold mid-season.. something not even the IFL could say during that time period.
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Post by Banana Cat on May 29, 2012 21:12:23 GMT -5
Bloomington likes to boast that they've made the playoffs for something like 12 years straight, without looking it up I would imagine they have made close to 12 straight 1st round exits too. Omaha is in that similar realm as Bloomington (sorry BC, i'm going there) they have been around for a long time and have not faired well in the playoffs either. Bloomington's made the playoffs 5 years straight in 6 years of existence (6 of the last 7 years, counting this year). Omaha's made the playoffs 12 straight years in 12 years of existence (counting this year will be 13, but that's in serious jeopardy and it'd be a longshot to see them in honestly). No need to be sorry.
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Post by CF4L on May 29, 2012 22:34:24 GMT -5
I can't believe I'm about to say this, but the APFL had gone two years before this one without canceling a game or having a team fold mid-season.. something not even the IFL could say during that time period. boom.
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Post by wichitawild on May 29, 2012 23:05:42 GMT -5
The only reason I believe Allen belongs on the list is because of the preseason hype. No other team that I can remember (outside of Sioux Falls) has ever had that much hype going into a season. People were talking about this team going undefeated.
And no team has gotten less "bang for their buck" in the history of indoor football. Owens is not the only player on that team making more than $200 per game. Fudge did not leave Wichita for $200 per game. Mike Landry did not leave Sioux Falls for $200 per game. Travonti Johnson is not playing for $200 per week. YaTarrie Brown is not playing for $200 per week and the list goes on and on.
When you look at what they got for their payroll you have to agree that Allen is a major dissappointment.
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Post by Banana Cat on May 30, 2012 0:23:51 GMT -5
I agree that Allen is a disappointment if they don't make the playoffs, I'd even agree with MAJOR disappointment. I don't see them as one of indoor football's biggest failures though, too many league catastrophes take that stage IMHO. If the question was the biggest failure on a team level, then I could see them in the conversation.
Yes, they paid out Sioux Falls-levels paydays this year, but they quickly found out that all the teams in the IFL are no pushovers. Not after the league jettisoned the dead weight after last season. I think Allens' main failure was the Owens' debacle. I've heard the stories of how he was unhappy with every quarterback they brought in and if he hadn't had the influence he had, they may have stuck with one and had greater success. The revolving door at QB and the firing of Head Coach Pimmel, hurt the team greatly IMHO. One thing Sioux Falls and Billings had going for them when they were (and are in the Storms' case) winning titles with high payrolls for personnel is that they had their coaching staffs and the majority of their players in place for some time. Allen learned the hard way this season that no continuity will result in some hard losses on the gridiron.
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Post by tcfeverams on Jun 3, 2012 22:08:10 GMT -5
100% agree with BC. Allen season a disappointment? YES. But they don't belong on the list of indoor football's biggest failures. Indoor football has so failures so freaking epic, it makes Allen look like an NFL Championship team.
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