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Post by Banana Cat on Jun 24, 2012 14:22:33 GMT -5
APFL Week 15 Games:
30 Jun (Sat): Springfield Wolfpack @ Kansas Koyotes Canceled (unless Koyotes will play a replacement team, but haven't heard anything yet)
30 Jun (Sat): Council Bluffs Express @ Colorado Lightning Canceled
30 Jun (Sat): Mid-Missouri Outlaws at Oklahoma Defenders
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Post by Banana Cat on Jun 24, 2012 14:23:04 GMT -5
Reserved.
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Post by Banana Cat on Jun 24, 2012 14:28:25 GMT -5
Mid-Missouri needs to beat Oklahoma if they want to make the playoffs, otherwise Kansas will get the last spot.
An interesting side note here is that Oklahoma is looking to have a league-wide conference call with all the teams this week for rules clarification on forfeit wins counting towards league records and playoff positioning. The Koyotes have the most forfeit wins of any team, does Oklahoma actually think Ralph Adams would hurt his teams playoff chances by taking away wins?
An interesting thing though, Oklahoma has already clinched the 3rd seed and cannot improve their standing. I don't think most would question that they should beat Mid-Missouri pretty handily at home (they beat them 75-10 in Mid-Mo). Well, if Okie was really ticked off at Adams, they could definitely dog it and barely lose to Mid-Mo (not saying that would happen or that they would consider it). If Mid-Missouri does pull out a win, Kansas would be out of the playoffs. Does anyone think Adams would still find a way to get his Koyotes into the playoffs?, lol.
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Post by Banana Cat on Jun 24, 2012 14:29:39 GMT -5
This week I got:
Oklahoma Kansas (if they play a replacement team)
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Post by BlitzinBandit on Jun 24, 2012 20:17:46 GMT -5
OK Kansas
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Post by CF4L on Jun 24, 2012 20:32:59 GMT -5
Oklahoma and Kansas this week.
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Post by jupiterhill on Jun 24, 2012 23:33:55 GMT -5
I would actually laugh my head off if Oklahoma tanked the last game just to prevent Kansas from making it. I think they need to have weekly conference calls, but what would not counting forfeit wins do? Maybe next year put in a clause stating only 2 forfeit wins per team will count for their record? Besides, there is no way Kansas won't make the playoffs. Even if the Outlaws win, Adams will find a way to put his team in.
Having said all that, Oklahoma and Kansas will get the wins this week. Even though I don't think Kansas will play. They won't find a replacement team.
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Post by Banana Cat on Jun 25, 2012 0:25:57 GMT -5
I would actually laugh my head off if Oklahoma tanked the last game just to prevent Kansas from making it. I think they need to have weekly conference calls, but what would not counting forfeit wins do? Maybe next year put in a clause stating only 2 forfeit wins per team will count for their record? Besides, there is no way Kansas won't make the playoffs. Even if the Outlaws win, Adams will find a way to put his team in. Having said all that, Oklahoma and Kansas will get the wins this week. Even though I don't think Kansas will play. They won't find a replacement team. Next year they just need to keep scrub teams that can't hang out entirely (but can Adams do that?, probably not). As far as forfeit wins, as long as they keep letting underfunded and poorly planned teams in, the league will have forfeits. Many are new to following the league, but the APFL past is littered with forfeits and replacement teams (Adams doesn't learn from history, or doesn't care is probably more apropos). In Adams we DON'T trust.
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Post by jupiterhill on Jun 25, 2012 3:47:54 GMT -5
I admit I'm one of the newer fans. I first heard about the Outlaws before their playoff game against Springfield in 2010. I've read some of the history, but know enough to know that Adams isn't the person the APFL needs in charge.
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Post by BNDC on Jun 25, 2012 8:59:11 GMT -5
Ill take 22 mini Ditka's 200, the ghost replacement team Zero.
Da Bears.
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Post by Banana Cat on Jun 25, 2012 11:00:27 GMT -5
If Mid-Missouri can beat Oklahoma by 66 points, then not only will they get in the playoffs but they'll also move into the #3 seed. Just putting it out there, no matter how ridiculous it seems.
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Post by dubyaessoh on Jun 25, 2012 11:23:56 GMT -5
I'm not convinced the issues with the three teams that "left" the league were all poor planning or unfit teams, to be honest. I hear bits and pieces enough to believe there were some league issues involved, not just team issues, in at least one case. And (you guys KNOW I hate to do this) in Adams defense, **** happens and an owner that may be totally solvent one day can hit the wall the next and not be able to follow through with commitments. I don't know if that is the case, either, but how many of us haven't had an unforeseen financial crush we hadn't or couldn't have planned for. It'd be no surprise if at least one of those "folded" teams doesn't come back next year. To what league..... ? Who knows.
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Post by CF4L on Jun 25, 2012 11:34:04 GMT -5
If Mid-Missouri can beat Oklahoma by 66 points, then not only will they get in the playoffs but they'll also move into the #3 seed. Just putting it out there, no matter how ridiculous it seems. now that is great research
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Post by Banana Cat on Jun 25, 2012 12:26:31 GMT -5
And (you guys KNOW I hate to do this) in Adams defense, **** happens and an owner that may be totally solvent one day can hit the wall the next and not be able to follow through with commitments. I don't know if that is the case, either, but how many of us haven't had an unforeseen financial crush we hadn't or couldn't have planned for. It'd be no surprise if at least one of those "folded" teams doesn't come back next year. To what league..... ? Who knows. While things can happen, in 99% of the cases (more likely 100%, but I'll give a little leeway) the owner did not have enough resources and thought he could get by with less than what was actually required. In any business, you have to plan for losses to start with (many say 3 years, but that depends on many things actually, each circumstance can be different). Most of these minor league owners DO NOT properly plan and are in over their head (some just do not flat out care and are in it to scam money from sponsors and others). I am not the only one that had doubts about Cheyenne and Colorado coming into the season. When they ran into trouble, there were not many who were shocked (in fact some team owners in the league questioned why Adams let them in the first place, hint: money for franchise fees).
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Post by jupiterhill on Jun 25, 2012 13:13:59 GMT -5
Since I'm newer, I must ask- was there signs that Springfield was in trouble? I couldn't tell myself, but they seemed fairly stable. I know nothing about their ownership or much about their arena, but I'm guessing that their problem could be just like the Outlaws- they don't really promote it much in their community.
I wasn't even aware that the Minutemen existed until two years ago. I live maybe 20 miles from the Outlaws and I never hear anything about them except through their facebook and the radio broadcast (which really doesn't promote the broadcasts). I'm not saying they need to go everywhere and spend millions of dollars, but in Mid-Missouri's case, they play their home games on the site of the Missouri State Fair. I've gone the last two years to the fair and not once have I seen anything from the Outlaws. I know the season would be over in mid-August, but at least have the dancers or have a promo booth with posters and extra programs to give out. Springfield is a nice size town (and host the county fair there too, which is a nice one), and I doubt they promote the Wolfpack there. I even asked a friend if he ever heard of them, and he never even heard of the arena.
I'm not saying in Colorado and Cheyenne's cases promotion would solve their problems, but I find it odd to organize a team and not expect to have enough money to play a whole season. I was skeptical on both teams too for no other reason than travel. I almost knew Colorado wouldn't last when I saw their game against the Outlaws and saw the arena. Not to mention the air mattresses as the boards. Just poor planning on their part.
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