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Post by rockybighorn on Jun 5, 2012 13:54:52 GMT -5
lol....there are SO many different ways that things can play out. This weeks games will go along way to settling things. I really think SF beat Colorado & Wichita beats NM. Allen could have a tough game against Everett also. The Wild's website was half right & half wrong by my math in clinching the #2. If they win both they are the #2 regardless of what happens to Allen or Colorado. Again, if Wichita finishes tied with either one, as of today's strength of schedule, Wichita has the tie-breaker over both teams. So, if they win out they SHOULD be the #2.
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Post by Banana Cat on Jun 5, 2012 20:30:07 GMT -5
Strength of schedule is the second tiebreaker. I confirmed this with the league office many weeks ago. I also saw an article where they mentioned it recently. You can contact them through their contact page anytime though for further confirmation.
The only question I have is scenario where Wichita, Colorado, and Allen end up tied at the end of the season. Colorado beat Allen in head to head 1-0, while Allen split with Wichita 2-2. So Colorado would be 1-0, Wichita 2-2, and Allen 2-3 in head to head play between all three. Even though Wichita and Colorado didn't play, I think in that scenario, because it's a three way tie, perhaps Colorado would get the #2 seed. I fired off another E-mail to the league office to be sure and should hear back from them by tomorrow on it.
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Post by wichitawild on Jun 5, 2012 23:48:34 GMT -5
BC, I was in no way questioning your information. I was just baffled as it seems the Wild put out wrong information. As long as the league knows what is going on, I guess it does not matter what the team puts out.
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Post by Banana Cat on Jun 6, 2012 0:12:35 GMT -5
The Wild may be confused. I haven't done the math for those three, but you said the Wild have the second tiedbreaker advantage. When I hear back from the league it should provide some clarification.
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Post by Banana Cat on Jun 6, 2012 21:29:54 GMT -5
Per the league: In the case of a three way tie a combination of head to head and strength of schedule tiebreakers will be used.
As you mentioned Colorado owns the head to head tiebreaker over Allen and Allen and Wichita finished the season tied at 2-2. Since Allen lost to Colorado and tied with Wichita they would automatically take the fourth seed, since they do not hold a tiebreaker over either team. It would then come down to a strength of schedule tiebreaker between Wichita and Colorado for the #2 seed since the two teams did not play during the regular season.
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Post by rockybighorn on Jun 7, 2012 8:16:42 GMT -5
I did the math on the record of Wichita & Colorado and as of today Wichita has the higher strength of schedule. So, if I understand correctly, if the 3 finished tied Allen is the #4, Colorado would be the #3 and Wichita the #2?
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Post by Banana Cat on Jun 7, 2012 8:25:38 GMT -5
Correct.
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Post by rockybighorn on Jun 7, 2012 10:41:14 GMT -5
I was kind of mocking up the rest of the season's schedule with who wins and loses and it could be really tight in the strength of schedule area for Wichita & Colorado.
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Post by Banana Cat on Jun 7, 2012 10:51:18 GMT -5
It would probably take a lot for it to go Colorado's way I'd imagine though, same for the Beef.
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Post by rockybighorn on Jun 7, 2012 11:02:56 GMT -5
I think @ this point in the season Yes on both accounts. If it were a week or 2 earlier then maybe.
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Post by rockybighorn on Jun 7, 2012 11:39:42 GMT -5
Ok actually I ran the actual numbers and I think Wichita will actually be seeded ahead of Colorado. Now Allen could still be the #2 if they win out & Wichita loses 1 of 2. But here goes:
On the following assumptions, Allen beats Everett. Chicago beats Lehigh. GB over Reading. TC over Wyo. Wich beats NM. Omaha over Neb. SF beats CO. and Bloomington beats CR.
Wichita, Colorado & Allen would all be tied. Colorado already beat Allen so Allen would be the 4.
Wichita's opp W/L is currently 88-81 but would go to 98-85 after the above games. Colorado's opp W/L currently is 77-99 and they would actually lose ground and go to 81-109.
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Post by rockybighorn on Jun 7, 2012 11:44:29 GMT -5
Allen, as much as I hate to say it, seems to have the inside track on the #2 seed. They play Everett and NM for the final 2 & they SHOULD win out. Wichita has NM this week but GB the final week. GB SHOULD have the #2 locked up in the United Conf already but still wont be an easy game for Wichita. Colorado in all likelihood will lose to SF. If Allen wins out and Wichita loses to either NM or GB then Allen is the #2, Wichita would be the #3 and Colorado the #4.
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Post by Banana Cat on Jun 7, 2012 18:01:25 GMT -5
Great coverage of the scenarios.
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Post by Bouncer_Texxx on Jun 11, 2012 10:32:52 GMT -5
Do we have an update on the tiebreakers after this past weeks games? Does Omaha have to beat SF to earn the right for a return trip back to SF the following week? (as all Storm fans hold their breath, just a little) or are they coming back no matter what? Wichita has to beat GB to earn the 2 seed, right? (obviously makes that game co-GOTW material) Dizzy on OSC did some real heavy lifting... www.oursportscentral.com/boards/showthread.php?t=20129
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Post by rockybighorn on Jun 11, 2012 11:23:20 GMT -5
Bouncer, if Wichita wins they are the #2 regardless of other games, because they have the SOS tie-breaker over Allen. If Allen wins and Wichita loses, Allen is 2, Wichita 3 and Colorado 4 as Wichita has the SOS over Colorado. If Wichita & Allen both lose, all 3 teams are tied. Wichita has the SOS over both team so they are 2, Allen beat Colorado so Allen is 3 and Colorado 4. So if Wichita loses to GB they would be rooting for NM to pull off an upset.
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