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Post by Bouncer_Texxx on Sept 3, 2008 16:36:21 GMT -5
reposted largely without permission. It's not that non-netted 50-yard football is destined to fail (heck, the netted version isn't destined to succeed), but I've not seen anything different so far out of them to make me think it's any better than the blatantly "average" we've seen for years out of the sport. The IFL is the best chance we've seen in years for indoor football to finally thrive. I hope it does. I really don't know if it will, but certainly the things are finally in place to get us closer to that point. For the first time in a few years, I'm hopeful the sport is on the rebound from the lows that we've seen since 2003. SO, remember to make a well thought out answer. What is it going to take to "make it" in the indoor football world. Surely we've got individuals, and teams that are most certianly doing it right, but what have we seen at a league level that worked and what didn't.
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Post by exit322 on Sept 3, 2008 19:36:09 GMT -5
Largely?
If I wasn't such a nice guy...
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Post by Bouncer_Texxx on Sept 3, 2008 22:53:58 GMT -5
to be fair, it was less then half of the original message, and it has the most to do with the discussion at hand. If I knew how to properly use the quote tags on proboards I would have noted you as the author.
now, back on topic. with the exception of rescheduling due to Dayton in year one. the UIF never missed a game, never had to reschedule a game due to team issues that I'm aware of. They finished every season and had a true championship game. And no one hosted a home playoff game they didn't earn.
The final two years saw an all-star game, although leaving this years in the hands of Bob Scott, may have been a mistake. What Dakota Crow might have lacked in other skills, he certainly knows how to get his game-day stuff right, just ask anyone that went to a Beef game this year.
I have no experience outside of the NIFL year 4 and the UIF. I can speak to gameday operations in most of the former UIF cities, Omaha, Sioux City, Sioux Falls, Colorado, Billings, and Wichita. and that was just this past season.
All I have to judge the CIFL, and AIFA is what I've seen on youtube. And my entire IntIFL experience is the two Swashbucklers playoff games on B2. I'd say based solely on those visual observations the UIF and IntFL were equals on the field. and the CIFL and AIFA/L were fighting for first runner up. The differences in talent level were slight from level to level and league to league. So it all comes down to things I can't speak to, and that's off the field issues. The UIF did find new ownership for Colorado, that was great news for the league. I'm not too sure exactly what else the "league office" did, they surely didn't update their webpage. Hats off to Sportznut and his cell phone for keeping the IntFL site up-to-date. Here's to hoping this continues post merger.
I know Exit can speak more accurately about the things that happened in the CIFL, I know there was a team that either quit the league or got thrown out, and then attempted to play independent "championship" games.
Has any league really lived up to the potential that indoor football possesses. I don't really think so. Some have done some things better than others. the IFL was a good medium for high scoring offensive passing games, and the UIF managed to see a pass-run ratio similar to what we see on Sundays in the fall. I personally prefer this style to the arena style, but that's my personal view, and it certainly doesn't mean that one style is "right" Several teams have flip-flopped between arena and indoor styles and some fans prefer one to the other, some don't care.
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Post by superpicker on Sept 3, 2008 23:24:54 GMT -5
At this level ... United Indoor Football, was all I could ever ask for. Win or lose, my gameday experience could not be better. My satisfaction with the fact that all scheduled games were played every year is 100%. The UIF version of football ,was truest to the game of football. ;D That being the case, I didn't mind the 2+ hour drive to Rockford, Bloomington, Peoria or even 9 hours to Sioux Falls. Even though the RUSH is 20 minutes away AND I had season tickets. I could split hairs, and nit pick minor things like the website not being updated like that of the NFL , but it wouldn't take the lustre away from that which I already stated. That which is important to me. I could wish that a magic expansion fairy would drop franchise owners out of the sky with deep pockets. But I live in reality, and things are what they are. For someone else it may very well be different. But ... At this level... United Indoor Football was all I could ever ask for. for my money they did it right.
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Post by exit322 on Sept 4, 2008 12:07:18 GMT -5
I know Exit can speak more accurately about the things that happened in the CIFL, I know there was a team that either quit the league or got thrown out, and then attempted to play independent "championship" games. And that team is looking to bully his way into and through the IFL as well. Financially, Rochester poses no problems - but they'd be the least professional team in the IFL if accepted. And it'd only be close if they also let in Lehigh Valley. Look, the CIFL screwed up an awful lot of things, and they're quite a ways behind anyone else right now professionally (but this is not something they cannot fix if they just stop doing the stupid things they've done over the years). That doesn't excuse Rochester from quitting like they have on their players - when a championship was basically gift-wrapped to a group of pretty good guys that were going to win the thing going away...and using Flint not showing up as the convenient excuse to do so. Good luck to the IFL...if they bring in ownership groups that don't have the best interest of a league in mind (and Rochester/Lehigh certainly don't), they will need it. On-field, the difference between the UIF/InFL and the CIFL/AIFA was not the top teams (Rochester would be competitive anywhere, as would top AIFA teams). The difference was the bottom. Wichita and San Angelo would've whitewashed New Jersey and Florida.
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Post by daytonadan on Sept 4, 2008 13:40:28 GMT -5
If anyone wants my opinion, let me know....
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Post by phydeaux72 on Sept 4, 2008 14:38:08 GMT -5
If anyone wants my opinion, let me know.... We will.
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Post by daytonadan on Sept 4, 2008 14:38:54 GMT -5
LOL
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Post by Banana Cat on Nov 8, 2008 18:43:35 GMT -5
If anyone wants my opinion, let me know.... So Dan, what's your take on it? Yes, I want to know.
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Post by sportznut on Nov 9, 2008 17:02:57 GMT -5
to be fair, it was less then half of the original message, and it has the most to do with the discussion at hand. If I knew how to properly use the quote tags on proboards I would have noted you as the author. now, back on topic. with the exception of rescheduling due to Dayton in year one. the UIF never missed a game, never had to reschedule a game due to team issues that I'm aware of. They finished every season and had a true championship game. And no one hosted a home playoff game they didn't earn. The final two years saw an all-star game, although leaving this years in the hands of Bob Scott, may have been a mistake. What Dakota Crow might have lacked in other skills, he certainly knows how to get his game-day stuff right, just ask anyone that went to a Beef game this year. I have no experience outside of the NIFL year 4 and the UIF. I can speak to gameday operations in most of the former UIF cities, Omaha, Sioux City, Sioux Falls, Colorado, Billings, and Wichita. and that was just this past season. All I have to judge the CIFL, and AIFA is what I've seen on youtube. And my entire IntIFL experience is the two Swashbucklers playoff games on B2. I'd say based solely on those visual observations the UIF and IntFL were equals on the field. and the CIFL and AIFA/L were fighting for first runner up. The differences in talent level were slight from level to level and league to league. So it all comes down to things I can't speak to, and that's off the field issues. The UIF did find new ownership for Colorado, that was great news for the league. I'm not too sure exactly what else the "league office" did, they surely didn't update their webpage. Hats off to Sportznut and his cell phone for keeping the IntFL site up-to-date. Here's to hoping this continues post merger. I know Exit can speak more accurately about the things that happened in the CIFL, I know there was a team that either quit the league or got thrown out, and then attempted to play independent "championship" games. Has any league really lived up to the potential that indoor football possesses. I don't really think so. Some have done some things better than others. the IFL was a good medium for high scoring offensive passing games, and the UIF managed to see a pass-run ratio similar to what we see on Sundays in the fall. I personally prefer this style to the arena style, but that's my personal view, and it certainly doesn't mean that one style is "right" Several teams have flip-flopped between arena and indoor styles and some fans prefer one to the other, some don't care. It was a pleasure being able to bring it to the Fans!!! I wished It would have worked out, believe me, BUT the IFL has decided to go in a different direction for the upcoming season. Will the information be up to the minute on game night and as current during the week, as i attempted to do? I would hope so, but from what i see, i fear not.
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