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Post by Banana Cat on Aug 7, 2008 18:55:35 GMT -5
One thing I'd like to see change is what the players get paid per game. Since the IFL is a new league, now is a good time to do it.
Pay has been around $200 since indoor football first started back in 1998. It wouldn't kill teams to up it, even just a little. Even just up to $350 per game if you play, with a $50 bonus for winning would be of great help to the players and not break a team's bank.
Throw in $50 a game for bench players as well, if they're good enough to make the team they should get something for their time, why not make it $100 for them.
It's just something I'd like to see happen and hope it does sooner rather than later. It would also help attract players that might want to go AF2 as well, since their pay is also around $200 per game.
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Post by Doom on Aug 8, 2008 23:23:54 GMT -5
One thing I'd like to see change is what the players get paid per game. Since the IFL is a new league, now is a good time to do it. Pay has been around $200 since indoor football first started back in 1998. It wouldn't kill teams to up it, even just a little. Even just up to $350 per game if you play, with a $50 bonus for winning would be of great help to the players and not break a team's bank. Throw in $50 a game for bench players as well, if they're good enough to make the team they should get something for their time, why not make it $100 for them. It's just something I'd like to see happen and hope it does sooner rather than later. It would also help attract players that might want to go AF2 as well, since their pay is also around $200 per game. I agree, not to mention the fact that players may stay around in the same city if the pay is a little better in the league, makes it easier to make it on it with a pt time job/whatever else, don't get me wrong when teams pay players more,either directly or through sponsers w/e, although questionable in the rules, I don't really have a problem with the player going there, at all.
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Post by Banana Cat on Sept 17, 2008 11:49:45 GMT -5
Pay will stay at $200 a game and a $50 bonus for winning. That's pay above the table. I'd still like to see it increased and that's probably my main criticism is that it hasn't changed in a decade.
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Post by afan on Sept 17, 2008 12:29:39 GMT -5
I think once teams start to make money (which may never happen) THEN look at increasing pay. The owners now are probably losing much more money in many cases than in the past (higher costs, etc) Yes - from the players side - it would be nice to make more, but from the reality side - just more money that comes out of the owners pockets.
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Post by milwaukee on Sept 17, 2008 14:40:32 GMT -5
Won't happen, Saginaw could not even afford to pay there players $200 a game, which is pathetic
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Post by Bouncer_Texxx on Sept 17, 2008 20:41:07 GMT -5
2800 vs 4900 per player per regular season a 57% increase.
think like a business now.. that's a HUGE increase.. has any of us gotten a 57% raise?
let's say they pay ONLY the 21 man game day roster (as opposed to the 30 man protected roster something that's never been clarified to me)
that's $58,800 vs $102,900 let's use a 3000 avg attendance at $10 per ticket for 7 home games a season gate of $210,000
a jump of employee salaries from 24% to 49%
and then you haven't paid any of the coaches or front office yet...
the league can not jack up ticket prices in this soft economy. therefore an increase in player salary at this point is a real risk. Sure the players DESERVE more. That's never been the issue there. It's about what the league and the teams can afford
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Post by Banana Cat on Sept 17, 2008 22:10:37 GMT -5
The only players that get paid over the table are the one's that get playing time. If you sit on the bench or are injured you don't get paid. There's been no increase in over a decade, so doubling the pay isn't as drastic as you make it sound. It should have been increasing each or every other year, just as inflation goes up every year. $200 is indeed peanuts and a little more won't break the bank. Take the money that's paid under the table to the star players and divide it amongst the whole team. If owners can't stomach making it $350, then make it a $50 increase each year, or $25, anything is better than no change in a decade. If anyone's complaining about an increase in ticket prices needs to look around and find something that's cheaper and as fun out there...there isn't. Ticket prices are ridiculously cheap around the league, and I'm a tightwad.
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Post by Bouncer_Texxx on Sept 17, 2008 22:22:40 GMT -5
Look we've all heard rumors and certain players talking.. but I've been told by more than one player that it's all a giant lie. $167.50 after taxes.
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Post by BlitzinBandit on Sept 17, 2008 22:46:04 GMT -5
LOL, you know **** wellit's happening I know fred jackson got paid more I know JD got paid more it's fine by me but don't play mum because we all no it's true. I know for fact you QB gets a lot more, (heard it from his babies momma mouth<his reference)..
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Post by Bouncer_Texxx on Sept 18, 2008 8:28:25 GMT -5
If that's the case then they've totally screwed some really good players.
Again, none of us has any proof. the only tangible proof we could actually get would be the game checks which of course are always within the rules... we've been through this 10,000 times, and I've heard it said both ways... so until someone shows me proof either way, I'm choosing to say they get 200 a game.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2008 8:41:38 GMT -5
Here's something that has to factor into this equasion...workman's comp. When you figure out what these teams pay in workman's comp at $200 a game and then double it...that is a major back breaker. When someone can come in and figure out ways around the workers comp issue they will be annointed king and all will bow down to him or her.
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Post by freedom on Sept 18, 2008 8:51:56 GMT -5
If that's the case then they've totally screwed some really good players. Again, none of us has any proof. the only tangible proof we could actually get would be the game checks which of course are always within the rules... we've been through this 10,000 times, and I've heard it said both ways... so until someone shows me proof either way, I'm choosing to say they get 200 a game. You're also choosing to wear blinders . . . I must say, I'm a little surprised.
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Post by freedom on Sept 18, 2008 9:01:47 GMT -5
Take the money that's paid under the table to the star players and divide it amongst the whole team. This is something I never understood. Why do any of the things team owners do right now? Reinvent the structure, drop the extra cash payments, forget housing, meals and loaned cars. Get all the extra stuff that is always traded out for the players sake and simply PAY them a decent salary to play football. I personally think it's laziness on many of the owners and FO staffs part that started all this. It's much easier to trade something out than it is to sell it. If these teams could SELL their product and advertising they they could PAY their players. JMHO without much thought . . . lol
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Post by Bouncer_Texxx on Sept 18, 2008 10:54:10 GMT -5
I guess I changed my tune when I heard from TWO former players that vouched for the system as the league says it is. At least the Storm. So.. someone has lied to me then... so who do i believe?
I know this as a fact. game checks were $167.50 after taxes. (single and 1) a little higher with the new win bonus.
we can site here and babble all we want on an internet message board. but until someone provides actual proof. Other than the hearsay, let's all just shut up because we honestly don't know what we're talking about. Did we see any of the checks? was there any paper trail?
I mean they're really already paying them the FTE of $10,200 a year to play football.. and they get 6 months a year off.. see how ludicrous the argument against raising teacher salaries sounds now..
The structure is what it is.. sponsors work out deals with the teams so that they don't have to spend cash on tickets... housing and such, it has to happen becasue it's cheaper for owners to buy apartment complexes or hotels and rent them during the off season to generate revenue rather than pay the players to pay their own rent.
let's over generalize again.. lets say it costs a person $1000 a month to pay rent, utilities, and meal expenses. they're making $800 a month roughly right now at $200 per game. you'd have to double that for a player to be able to pay to live someplace. who's going to pay for that.. again think like a business.. the consumer.. means your $10 just jumped to $20. your $20 a seat a game season ticket package now costs you $560 a season for two seats, just last year is was $280 that would price me out of the market, and my combined family income is above average in Sioux Falls.
I'm not saying that the system isn't broken. but drastic changes cannot be implemented of we want the sport to survive. it has to remain affordable. If I could afford $100 a seat a game for season tickets I'd rather see NFL talent.
most owners are in this game to try to make some money. They're not going to make money paying players much more than they are now and keep the fans coming to the games affordably.
and come on Abyss.. Bob Scott over paying players... that's laughable.... not saying he didn't arrange good jobs sorting paper clips or something...
I look at it like this. If players are getting paid under the table to perform on the field who are we to judge. Chances are that those funds aren't coming off the general ledger of your favorite UIF team. and therefore the quality of your team is directly related to the depth of your pocketbook, right??
Then someone explain the Redskins to me. Daniel Synder has more money than the pope and he STILL can't put together a consistent team.
So, really it's not all about money, it's about personalities. It's not really even about talent. The teams in this league do what they have to do to keep quality guys around.
Like I've also asserted else where... players can talk all they want.. but I'd guess their actual salary for playing football is $200 a game. it's the total compensation package the separates the teams. Free apts, free meals, free gym memberships (multiple places for Storm players), hook ups for jobs and help with anything else they need. that's just like my employer paying my families health insurance at 100% versus yours asking you to pay $100 a week for the same coverage.. if we make the same salary.. where would you rather work.
OK this ramble is over.. time to get back to work today... I've heard players that have told me they make more than the $200 and i've had players tell me that it's just the $200. so whose telling me the truth? I'd trust both of them.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2008 11:18:52 GMT -5
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*thunderous applause*
That post deserves to be in the HOF.
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